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ah i'm so glad you're getting a break! i'm glad you replied again. did you get my pic?

well, when i'm insulted, i immediately feel anger, and i'm not sure if i'll ever get over that. however, i can choose to calm myself, and react in a way that i know shows love. possibly, it may become habit to react lovingly. i don't think it's sin to get angry at first. we can move past our need to 'get back', because that spirit is covetous, selfish, and sinful. if we've grown in god's loving spirit, i think we'll have put to death the deeds of the flesh (over and over again).

i like what you quoted from 'dying to live'. it's funny, cause i was just reading about 'the light' on the hallvworthington site, and here the light is giving truth to clayton. what's telling, is that god didn't give clayton the answers or acted as he wanted, but told him about how he was preparing clayton. i can see that when speaking with god, we should do as you say, and trust that he's working in our best interests, even if that isn't how we expect. and we should have humility, and not try to get god to do what we want. also, god uses evil for good, so perhaps we should be thanking him for our troubles.

i'm so glad you trust god to see you through the uncertainties, and 'freak out' times, in your life. like you, i believe he sees us, and doesn't let us wander away from him. i think that if we attempt to stay in his presence (not go astray), we start to change according to his will.

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him [jesus] the iniquity of us all.
Psa 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.
1Pe 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

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 I'm officially on break now, so I'll be able to reply a lot faster. :P Lol yeah, I did get your picture. You certainly look Irish! Irish people are awesome, lol. Though you shouldn't drink!

It's hard, but we have to learn to show love, even when we feel angry. I feel like I am angry all the time, but I try to show love. You are right in saying that we have to put to death the deeds of the flesh when we grow in God's loving spirit. I think I talked about this on my blog once:

Romans 6:16-18 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

When you haven't grown in the spirit, you are much more likely to react in anger. But I believe God pulls on our hearts in our walk with him, he causes us to stretch and grow, so we gain more humility and we start to be even more loving towards others. He defuses our anger.

Bringing up Clayton, God is so strange in this way.. how he won't give us the answer we are looking for, but he gives us what we need. He may make things difficult for us, but it is to help us grow and become better Christians. It's so hard to give up control of our lives in this way. Because we feel that if we control our lives, there will be peace. When God controls it, we can't control if we feel peace or craziness, we can only know that he never truly leaves us. This drives me nuts, but it's true. I once heard:

”A leader takes people where they want to go. A great leader takes people where they don’t necessarily want to go, but ought to be.”
- Rosalynn Carter

God is a great leader.

I love how God can take all our evil and bad circumstances and use them for his glory. That's one thing many people forget. They act like God isn't big enough to handle their problems, but he can take any problem and turn it into a blessing. Some people think there is too much pain in the world for things to get better. If they would trust God to help them, they can see he can turn the bad into go. He can use our weakness to show his strength:

2 Corinth 12:9-10 But he said to me, My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Do you trust God during your 'freak out' times? I try to thank him for my troubles, because they ultimately are for our good, as long as we don't stray far from God.
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thank you for sharing:
Romans 6:16-18 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

this reminded me that i have to choose to be a servant of god.

when i tie it to this verse:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

i can see that the natural way would be to follow what my own spirit is telling me to do. but since that leads to captivity (prison/bondage), i'm left to search out god's will in a matter.

one thing that leads me toward that will, is to go the way that leads to love. i think what's the deal, is that we're not that experienced enough in following god, to know exactly what he wants. but the fact that we're trying to find it out, perhaps, gives god the opportunity to communicate with us.

so thank you for reminding me that i can be god's servant, instead of the old, natural, human slave of sin. i'd like to know your opinion, and if you have a method for finding out his will.



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The way of man leads to death, but the way of God leads to eternal life. We are given the option to live a life of sin, but then we are held in bondage and are not free from it. It overtakes us until it destroys us.

When we take the high road and follow God, it is more narrow and more difficult to follow, but by accepting the responsibility, he ultimately frees us from ourselves. He gives us strength in difficult times and we are loved, and get to experience a full life, on free from so much sin.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Following God is more difficult, but the reward is worth the effort, by far.

I believe you are right when you say the fact that we are seeking out God's will in the first place gives him the opportunity to communicate with us. This is because our hearts are open. It is much easier for him to communicate with an open heart than a hard heart. So even if we don't know the exact destination, I know for certain we are headed in the right direction.

Yes, we can choose to be God's servants. To figure out his will, I don't know a specific thing that tells you exactly what to do to discover it. It can be very frustrating because in my heart, I want to do the right thing, I want to do whatever will make him most happy and bring him the most glory. But how do I know what will bring him the most joy? I am so desperate for an answer. Things I do are continually pray for him to reveal to my heart what he wants me to do. I continue reading through the bible, seeking out people who can help me along in my spiritual journey (such as you), and listening for him. Even when I don't know what God wants me to do specifically for my life, there are general rules I follow:

-always love others, act humbling towards other, try to put their needs before my own.
-never be selfish with my money, give to those in need, always be willing to let God tell me what to do with it
-pushing away my negative thoughts and feelings, learning to control my thoughts better, like stop thinking bad things about others, lusting, being greedy, apathetic
-love God with all of my heart. I guess this would actually go first in the list. when he does speak to me, be obedient.
-try to apply what the bible says to my life.

But I just follow general principles such as these until I figure out what God wants me to do. It can be frustrating. What do you to try to determine his will?
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wow those are some good guidelines! it's hard for me to love others sometimes, because they are not acting in my best interest (or theirs). like, "No man is an island, entire of itself", since everything we do affects others. so i guess, by that logic, if i love them, then i'm affecting others.

one time in meditation, it became clear to me that loving others is the best course of action, in light of god's forgiveness, since i'm looking out for others' best interest, in a way that is higher than the evil they commit. i think this is god's nature, since jesus sacrificed despite not only mans' sins in general, but the immediate tortuous sins they commited against him personally.

i don't know how to hear god's voice, but i'm thinking that being in a spirit of love and praise toward god does, as you said, open our hearts, and makes them pliable. this takes humility, which i believe god likes:

2Ch 34:27 Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard [thee] also, saith the LORD.

about praise:
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

next, i think patience is one of the keys. i've learned that if i want some answer from god, it's usually answered over time. so i just tell god, then put it on the back burner, cause i know he won't forget. it stands to reason for me, cause god doesn't have to jump when we say, and he's eternal, so he has a lot of patience.

finally, i think we can achieve some of the things we want in our lives, if we set aside time to praise, love, and listen to god. this is humility, cause we don't get to do and think what we want during that worship time. it's all about god, at that time.

my motivation is my hope that god's love will fill me, cause most of the time i think we walk around empty. and talking to you helps me sort out some of the internal chaos, to get some direction. two brains are better than one.

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Tell me about it! It can be so difficult to love others. Especially when they are often only looking out for themselves. But we cannot be islands. That's a very hard truth for me sometimes. Sometimes, I just want to be quiet and reserved and help no one. I feel like there is just too much pain in the world for me to be able to face it all and deal with it. But when I open up and love someone, it affects them, and it affects other people as well. Then I find myself learning that if I open up in the first place, the pain I am so afraid of existing in the world will start to go away.

We don't realize how much the things we do can affect other people, for better or for worse. There are so many times in my life where people did things that they didn't realize how devastating affects on me. I am sure I have done that to others. It's really dangerous. It is so amazing how Jesus still sacrificed himself, despite what we did in general and despite what those people did to him personality. You're right. They spat on him and called him names and mocked him and hated him and left him bleeding and dying. All the while, he loved them to no end. He still forgave them, accepted them. That's what real love is to me. Loving someone no matter what, through thick and thin, even when it's difficult:

Romans 5:8 But God shows his great love for us in this way: Christ died for us while we were still sinners.

John 6:37 The Father gives me the people who are mine. Every one of them will come to me, and I will always accept them.

I love that verse, 2Ch 34:27. I believe humility is one of God's favorite personality characteristics. Because if Jesus is king of the world, of the universe, and he can put aside the things he wants for the sake of others, then we, who are far from perfect, have no right to be self-centered and all about ourselves. This is why we must continually die to ourselves. I have to stop being afraid and get out there and help people. I think it's one of the hardest concepts for Christians to understand and apply. It's hard to stop being selfish and start being more humble.

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

He is the center of everything and still was not focused on being the center of everything.

Patience is so important to have. I think he continually teaches us patience by not answering our prayers whenver we say, but instead, whenever he is ready to. He is God, he doesn't bow down to us, so we need to stop trying to get him to. We need to stop trying to make him do things, and learn to be patient.

I am still working on setting time aside for God. We need time during the day when we are focused on him, instead of us. It gives us clarity and a better perspective on things. I attempt to let him lead every day of my life. Because when I lead, I will run into walls. He leads me to where I need to go.

I love having people in my life who will help me get closer to God. Every time I read one of your posts, I feel like I understand more, and I gain more peace in places in my heart where there was once confusion. I can help you grow in ways you can't do on your own, and you certainly do that for me. I think that is why God called us to have community, to come together as brothers and sisters in Christ. We can help teach each other and love each other and make each other stronger. That's what it's all about. emoticon

Matthew 18:19-20 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

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I can help you grow in ways you can't do on your own, and you certainly do that for me. I think that is why God called us to have community, to come together as brothers and sisters in Christ. We can help teach each other and love each other and make each other stronger. That's what it's all about.



that's so good. not only can disciples help each other in general, but spiritually we can support our weaknesses. what inspires me is your love, peace, and selflessness.

god is the focus, as you said. i find myself seeing deeper inside of my nature, where there's selfishness and pride. i have to look out for it, so i can be humble and giving. it's not something that works out on its own. i don't really understand the method for changing, but i'm guessing that the holy spirit has power that's at work that i can't detect. perhaps the fact that my sin is revealed helps me not to fall into a pit. i think it's about our motivations for doing things (it's hard to put into words).

i also think that love is the focus. his spirit is in each of us, and that spirit is manifested in our actions, even our actions toward each other. i was reading yesterday:
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
so perhaps that's how we can love our enemies, or those that are not loving. we can focus on the fact that we're doing good to god within people. i'm sure we'll learn more about it through time.

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I feel like there is just too much pain in the world for me to be able to face it all and deal with it.



i know, it causes us to get really discouraged, and give up. but lately i've started to try to counter that, and start to praise god for all he is and does. maybe that's a good tactic, i don't know, but i'm going to keep trying it.

i'll wait for your reply, cause i always learn something from you too. emoticon



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that's so good. not only can disciples help each other in general, but spiritually we can support our weaknesses. what inspires me is your love, peace, and selflessness.



Really? That's so awesome! You inspire me whenever you explain something, and then you support it with scripture. It teaches me to do the same thing, because it's important to be able to back up what you say, so that you can have more faith you are doing what God wants. I sometimes feel like I just live and do whatever I want, thinking I am living for God, but I don't back myself up with Scripture. It's important because I can get into trouble that way. So I am learning.

Another weakness of mine is that I really love to talk and meet people, but a piece of me is like really introverted, so I have a hard time opening up to people. But how you comment on my blog on the forum and how you email and stuff, you make me see I can trust people more and open up. Normally I feel I can't trust anyone but God in this cold world, but you make me feel so welcome as family in the body of Christ. Thank you so much for that. I am glad I help with your weaknesses, too. What do you struggle with? I could pray for you, and you could pray for me. You said selfishness and pride, I'll go ahead and pray for that.

I pray for our relationship sometimes when I get on here and post, praying we both influence each other in a way that is good for both of us, and brings us closer to Christ. The more I pray, the more I feel it working. My weakness is introversion, the Scripture thing, and sometimes I push away from God a lot when he freaks me out, and I need to trust him instead. Would you pray for me?

I posted Matt 18:19-20 in my last post.

I love it because I know he hears our prayers as we try to lift each other up.

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perhaps the fact that my sin is revealed helps me not to fall into a pit.



I think this is true. You say you have to look out for your selfishness and pride, because it won't go away on it's own. But I think the fact that you realize it is the first step in changing. You can't change what you don't acknowledge, and I think he lets you see where your sinful nature pops up, so you can learn to push away. As opposed to being someone who thinks it is all okay, you are learning to differentiate being humble and selfless with pride and selfishness, and it's difficult, but you are becoming a better Christian. I do think the Holy Spirit is at work in you, pushing those bad feelings away even when you don't know it. It's like the example of the car trouble you sent me in your email, how it doesn't work and you're frustrated, and it suddenly does. You don't see how to make yourself change, but God is doing a work in you. I know when I am in pain, God is healing my heart, and sometimes I feel it, sometimes I don't. But I have learned he never really leaves me in the darkness like it sometimes feels.

Mat 25:40 makes me love my enemies more. Because I do realize, like you said, that I am doing good to God by doing good to others. We can't be fully obedient to him without loving people it is difficult to love. He loves us, and he loves them too. Sometimes it's hard for me to face that.
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You inspire me whenever you explain something, and then you support it with scripture.



i'm always reminded of scripture when i'm thinking about something. then, when i look it up online, i come across other verses i forgot. also, i've learned that the bible's more flexible in its useage, cause verses can come to mind that are totally out of their original context, but are valid for the situation now. it's like ideas that are used for more than just one purpose.

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Normally I feel I can't trust anyone but God in this cold world, but you make me feel so welcome as family in the body of Christ.



i had inspiration lately about trust: i feel the same way you do, that i really don't trust people. but recently it came to me that if the mistrust were removed, it would allow love to flow. it wasn't just an idea, it was like a feeling of knowing, like the spirit gives. this is what i'm talking about when i say that god can speak to you here and now. so you can know there's god spirit working in us to help us to trust.

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What do you struggle with?



i think i'm mostly tempted with lust, which seems more shameful than other sins. i think it's also one of the most subtle ways evil influences us, cause it's personal.

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Would you pray for me?



yes, i will.

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It's like the example of the car trouble you sent me in your email, how it doesn't work and you're frustrated, and it suddenly does. You don't see how to make yourself change, but God is doing a work in you.



wow, that's a good parallel. i think you're right, cause when we don't know how something's supposed to work, he understands how everything works. not only that, he's behind the scenes making better things happen.

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I know when I am in pain, God is healing my heart, and sometimes I feel it, sometimes I don't.




i'm glad that you sometimes feel it, that must feel wonderful.

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i'm always reminded of scripture when i'm thinking
about something. then, when i look it up online, i come
across other verses i forgot. also, i've learned that the
bible's more flexible in its useage, cause verses can
come to mind that are totally out of their original
context, but are valid for the situation now. it's like
ideas that are used for more than just one purpose.


This is true. I think sometimes people get trapped in
looking at bible verses in only one way, when there truly
are many different ways to look at it. People have to
learn to open their minds more. That's why when people
act like reading the bible doesn't solve their problems,
I think about how it truly does have an answer for
everything, if you dig deep into the words for meaning.

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i had inspiration lately about trust: i feel the
same way you do, that i really don't trust people. but
recently it came to me that if the mistrust were removed,
it would allow love to flow. it wasn't just an idea, it
was like a feeling of knowing, like the spirit gives.
this is what i'm talking about when i say that god can
speak to you here and now. so you can know there's god
spirit working in us to help us to trust.


I never really thought about it that way. I guess if you
trust people, love can flow from you, and you can share
that with others. I'm pretty sure I could feel others
love flow to me, too. It works both ways. I've got to
stop missing out, lol.
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i think i'm mostly tempted with lust, which seems
more shameful than other sins. i think it's also one of
the most subtle ways evil influences us, cause it's
personal.


It is so personal! Lust seems to get the best of me
sometimes, too. I hate it. I have to really work on
getting my heart to stop doing it. But I know I can't
do that own my own. I just prayed that God guides us both
and keeps us strong in our battle against it.

God always understands how everything works. Even when we
don't. That should gives us lots of piece.

I am still working on trust. I love talking to you, so I am trying to overcome this issue. It's weird, I am like that with a lot of friends. They are great, don't do anything wrong, but somehow, I am afaid they will end up hurting me or something. I guess I used to get hurt a lot.
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